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Mosi
#1 Posted : 7/20/2009 7:47:32 AM
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There's a guy selling this 2000-built RG7421 here around - from the front, it looks like an ordinary RG 7-string:


But what did get me excited was the pic from the back...is that a Wizard?:


It's a Fujigen-built hardtail, with V7/V8 pickups and rather boring looks. The neck heel is also not perfectly matching, as often seen on current MII RGs. But is that neck sweet or what? It's just, it seems silly cheap, it's below 400 bucks with case. Am I missing something? I just realized anyway that my 7-string knowledge seems pretty bad Shifty.
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#2 Posted : 7/20/2009 8:36:02 AM
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That is a high quality japanese made seven. The neck is a Wizard 7 and it's a lovely neck, the same as the 7621. The only difference between 7421 and 7621 is the bridge and pups.

They are usually pretty cheap for some reason, maybe peoble are refering it to a 7321?

For under 400 with case I would definitely buy it!
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#6 Posted : 7/20/2009 10:05:54 AM
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There is a '99 for sale here in Austin for $499 with no case, and it is VERY beat up. It plays awesome though. I thought about buying it just because it has such a sweet neck (even though in '99 it was only maple, no strip).

If you can get that one for $400 w/ case, go for it.
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#8 Posted : 7/20/2009 1:31:12 PM
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$400 sounds right. At a local guitar place here, they had the same type of guitar for sale for $400 with the case. Its kind of a paradox that good condition ones are so cheap, cause you would think that because theres a lot less 7 string guitars out there, they would sell for more. But the thing is that not many guitarists desire a seven string, so used guitar sellers mark them down just to get rid of them.

Its a Wizard I 7 string neck with bubhinga strip for reinforcement. My 97 rg570 has that. They started putting the stripe on their necks from 97-02 I believe.
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#9 Posted : 7/20/2009 2:07:40 PM
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I'd Buy that 7 in a heart beat without thinking.
Then again, I don't do a lot of thinking when it comes to buying guitars.
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#10 Posted : 7/20/2009 3:47:21 PM
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thats more commonly known as the "super wizard" neck. its slightly thicker than an original wizard neck. not quite wiz II but not original either. for 400 bucks if you don't jump on it ill jump on you!!
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#11 Posted : 7/20/2009 7:53:45 PM
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No, thats not a super wizard. Its a Wizard-7 neck, based off the original Wizard I neck.
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#12 Posted : 7/20/2009 8:44:15 PM
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I haven't heard to many of the 7 string players complain about the modern prestige 7 neck, I assume it is not that much different than the original 7 string neck.

The '99 I played had a sweet neck, I don't know about sizes or have played many 7 strings, but that one was sweet.
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#3 Posted : 7/20/2009 9:01:27 PM
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Steelrobbin wrote:
That is a high quality japanese made seven. The neck is a Wizard 7 and it's a lovely neck, the same as the 7621. The only difference between 7421 and 7621 is the bridge and pups.

They are usually pretty cheap for some reason, maybe peoble are refering it to a 7321?

For under 400 with case I would definitely buy it!


I think you're getting the RG7s confused. The RG762x and RG742x have different necks, the RG762x features the one piece maple neck such as that found on the older UVs like the UV77PWH and UV77BK Green Dot. The RG742x has the latter easier to make three piece neck. They feel very similar but I tend to like the one piece RG762x neck.

Also the RG7621 and RG7421 share the same bridge, just different necks and pickups. The trem equipped RG7620 and RG7420 have different bridges, essentially all they share is the same basswood RG body.
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#7 Posted : 7/20/2009 9:04:07 PM
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jl-austin wrote:
There is a '99 for sale here in Austin for $499 with no case, and it is VERY beat up. It plays awesome though. I thought about buying it just because it has such a sweet neck (even though in '99 it was only maple, no strip).

If you can get that one for $400 w/ case, go for it.


That's just robbery, you can still pickup a MINTY RG7421 on eBay or ss.org for about $400 delivered, with case.

Though if it was a one piece neck chances are it's the FAR more rare RG7621.
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#13 Posted : 7/20/2009 10:23:49 PM
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How can I tell the difference between a 7421 and a 7621? It is a one piece neck, and it looks like it has the dimarzio blaze pickups, not the V7 and V8 that came on the 2000+ models. If I was to try to talk the store down, what would be a good price for a "beat up" RG7621?

Sorry, to high jack the thread.
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#14 Posted : 7/20/2009 10:41:58 PM
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jl-austin wrote:
How can I tell the difference between a 7421 and a 7621? It is a one piece neck, and it looks like it has the dimarzio blaze pickups, not the V7 and V8 that came on the 2000+ models. If I was to try to talk the store down, what would be a good price for a "beat up" RG7621?

Sorry, to high jack the thread.


The differences between an RG7621 and RG7421 are the pickups, the RG7621 has upgraded DiMarzio pickups (either Blazes or "New 7" depending on year) and different neck construction. The RG7621 has the "superior" one piece construction that many have come to like better than the multi-piece RG7421 neck. Though looking at the neck is the best way to instantly know what model you have on your hands.

Depending on how beat up, most RG7x2x are fairly dinged up, they are around ten years old, a used but not abused one should go for about $450. Though it is the far less sought after black model. If it's as beat as you're describing then perhaps about $400 would be fair. Keep in mind the RG7621 is better than the RG7421, as well as harder to come by.

If they have it marked as an RG7421 then you could use that to your advantage. Show them how much used RG7421s in same and better condition are going for.
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#15 Posted : 7/20/2009 10:53:10 PM
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Ok I did quite some reading about these babies, such as here and here.

As Max said, the 7621 has DiMarzio p/u's, the 7421 "just" a V7/V8 combo.

But, aparently, in '99/'00, the production RG7421s were frequently equipped with "leftover" necks from RG7621s. Pulling the neck and investigating the stamp is a give-away. I would bet that's what the stamp on above guitar would say.

The most telling visual difference between the RG7621 and the RG7421 besides the pickups is the p/u mounting: the former has triangular routing for the screws (DiMarzios), while the latter has square ones, as seen in the pictures above.

Also, the bridge base plate as well as the saddles seem different quality.

lp_dude_2 in this forum has a good comparison pic - left an RG7412, right an RG7621, note the pickup mounting:


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#16 Posted : 7/20/2009 11:11:37 PM
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Mosi wrote:
Ok I did quite some reading about these babies, such as here and here.

As Max said, the 7621 has DiMarzio p/u's, the 7421 "just" a V7/V8 combo.

But, aparently, in '99/'00, the production RG7421s were frequently equipped with "leftover" necks from RG7621s. Pulling the neck and investigating the stamp is a give-away. I would bet that's what the stamp on above guitar would say.

The most telling visual difference between the RG7621 and the RG7421 besides the pickups is the p/u mounting: the former has triangular routing for the screws (DiMarzios), while the latter has square ones, as seen in the pictures above.

Also, the bridge base plate as well as the saddles seem different quality.

lp_dude_2 in this forum has a good comparison pic - left an RG7412, right an RG7621, note the pickup mounting:


Confusing instruments...:).


Actually the one on the left is an RG7321, hence the binding and cheaper bridge components. The RG7421 is head and shoulders above the RG7321. Getting an RG7421 with an RG7621 neck is a good deal, as pickups are far easier to replace.
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#18 Posted : 7/20/2009 11:17:17 PM
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The serial number started with F99, which I am assuming means Japan '99. I do remember the bridge as being nicer than what comes on the Ibanez' now, I actually thought to myself, "wow" they don't put that kind of stuff on them now days. It is VERY beat up though, although, the neck is in almost unused condition, they said when the store moved from its old location to its present spot it got banged up in the move.

Again, I am sorry to high jack the thread, but this all has been very interesting.
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#19 Posted : 7/20/2009 11:24:28 PM
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jl-austin wrote:
The serial number started with F99, which I am assuming means Japan '99. I do remember the bridge as being nicer than what comes on the Ibanez' now, I actually thought to myself, "wow" they don't put that kind of stuff on them now days. It is VERY beat up though, although, the neck is in almost unused condition, they said when the store moved from its old location to its present spot it got banged up in the move.

Again, I am sorry to high jack the thread, but this all has been very interesting.


Show interest and make them a crazy low offer, something along the lines of $250. They'll surely say no. Then come in every week, at least a couple times a week, and play it and look it over. Wait till they make you a decent yet still high offer, then go for the kill and ask for something reasonable such as $350-ish. I've used that method plenty of times and if you have patience it pays off.
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#20 Posted : 7/20/2009 11:28:52 PM
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Well, they know me by name. Happy I have bought several guitars from them over the years. With the economy the way it is, and it being a beat up, 10 year old 7-string guitar in a blues / rock town, I think I can talk him down. Happy

I've been wanting a 7 string guitar for a while, but I wanted something a little nicer than a RG7321, but didn't want a tremolo that comes on a RG1527, so maybe this will be my first 7.
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#21 Posted : 7/21/2009 12:21:29 AM
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You guys are over complicating this.... 97-02 just look for the silverish logo on the headstock and you'll know its of better quality. Notice in that pic that was posted that the better one has the shiny logo? GO SHINY!!!!!
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#22 Posted : 7/21/2009 12:33:07 AM
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Diminuendo wrote:
You guys are over complicating this.... 97-02 just look for the silverish logo on the headstock and you'll know its of better quality. Notice in that pic that was posted that the better one has the shiny logo? GO SHINY!!!!!


That's not going to help you distinguish an RG742x and an RG762x, they both have the foil "Ibanez" decal on the headstock. The one in the photo on the left IS an RG7321, in says it in the original post it was made in.
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#5 Posted : 7/21/2009 6:04:54 AM
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MaxOfMetal wrote:
The RG762x and RG742x have different necks, the RG762x features the one piece maple neck such as that found on the older UVs like the UV77PWH and UV77BK Green Dot.


Now Im confused, didn't the early UV777BK's have the same neck as the old green dots? The reason I ask is because my 01' UV777 also has the one piece maple neck.
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