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Custom 58's vs. ACH 1 and 2
BillyG
#1 Posted : 2/8/2011 7:15:16 AM

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I continue to be drawn back daily to gaze at the picture of the AS103 on the website.
Since I can't play one first, I was wondering if any one who has one, in addition to one
with the ACH p/u's could describe the difference in tones?

I read the descriptions of "classic warm versatle" and "clean with slight over drive".
One is alnico and one is ceramic. Are the Classic 58's in line with a 57 classic style
sound? And the ACH's more of a PAF? (Sorry, those are the only references I have).

Thanks.
Vladimir
#2 Posted : 2/8/2011 7:52:10 AM
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From my own experience, the 58's are more hifi i.e. you can roll down the tone and still get a clear sound.
The 58's can also sing on the bridge pickup without using distortion. The ACH's sound more like single coil P90's, a bit rough, twangy, but better at pushing tubes than a 58.

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#3 Posted : 2/8/2011 11:01:53 AM
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Vladimir wrote:
From my own experience, the 58's are more hifi i.e. you can roll down the tone and still get a clear sound.


I agree with this, but if you roll the tone knob down too far the resulting sound is very unpleasant (to my ears, anyway). A thin, "bleep-boop" video game sort of sound.

Vladimir wrote:

The 58's can also sing on the bridge pickup without using distortion. The ACH's sound more like single coil P90's, a bit rough, twangy, but better at pushing tubes than a 58.


I agree with most of this except for the P90 comparision. I am not a fan of the ACH pickups. They are decent, mediocre, okay, but that's it.

My Gibson P90s give clearer cleans and grittier growls, just all-round better whether I'm playing clean with lots of headroom or distorted.

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P. S. Billy, I love talking Artcores, but your good questions about neck profile and pickups tone would be much better answered by getting an AS in your hands. There's not an Ibanez dealer near you?
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#9 Posted : 2/8/2011 11:58:33 AM

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The s58 is a PAFish sounding pup, classy and vintage tone, very pleasant to my ears. Since i have this tone in the af125 i actually like the ACHs in my as93 as a complement, rock´roll sound that drive my tube amps really good.
I´m very curious about the sound of the as93 with vintage buckers in it though, i´m thinking of transplant an old Ibanez V2 in the bridge and a vintage s58 in the neck position, that would be Dance
meggiedude
#10 Posted : 2/8/2011 1:16:03 PM
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Its been said many times btw, but lets not forget that the AS103 and all guitars in the Artcore custom range have super 58 customs, not the super 58's as found in guitars like the JSM100 John Schofield.
They are only alike in name - not tone.
I state this only to save any future confusion in this thread.

I don't have any ACH's in my Ibby Artcores, just s58c's so can't comment on tone back to back. All I would say is then I have tried ACH's in a store they were pretty uninspiring.
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#8 Posted : 2/8/2011 10:26:13 PM
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Hikey Mikey wrote:
I agree with most of this except for the P90 comparision. I am not a fan of the ACH pickups. They are decent, mediocre, okay, but that's it.


I agree with this. ACH pickups do not sound anything like P-90's..."Decent but mediocre" is a great way to put it.

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#11 Posted : 2/8/2011 10:42:50 PM

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Thanks everyone. I can get a hold of an AS73 at Guitar Center.
But they don't have an AS103 in the store. It would have to be
ordered. I held an AS73 last week and strummed in unplugged to
get a feel for the neck. I like that too.

I'm interested in the tone of the 103. I have a Gibson Std. Trad
with 57's and a Casino. I'm not totally in love with the Casino,
so would most likely be selling it.

I want a good semi-hollow, but don't want to pay the 335 price.
Hence the AS103 keeps calling me based on its looks and positive
reviews

jbear
#12 Posted : 2/9/2011 1:23:32 AM

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I thought the tone of the S-58C's in the 103 was great. I don't know if mine are ceramic or alnico (there seems to be some confusion about that here...at least it confuses me). I went and put Duncan 59's, in mine along with full sized CTS pots and Orange Drop caps. I just happen to be a D-59 freak, nothing wrong with the stock PUPs. I will agree that they sound nothing like the S-58's in my old 80's vintage Artist. I have not played another semi that sounds better or feels better in my hands. I did take the pickguard off because it gets in the way of double-stops and fingerstyle. I also put Gibson speed knobs on because the neck PUP is split and those rosewood tophats are tough to pull up on. This guitar is now perfect to my ears and hands.
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#13 Posted : 2/9/2011 2:04:38 AM
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BillyG, I own a AS73TCR and a AS83VLS, both with the ACH pups, I absolutely love the sounds and tones I get out of these guitars/pick-ups. Maybe a comparison of output would help. Anyone know what the ACH's output is? compared to 58 customs and super 58's?

Also perhaps it depends on what your plugged into, I love the ACH's through an older Peavey Bandit 112 (Solid State) and a Peavey ValveKing 212 but I usually play through the clean channel with B,M,T all at Noon and go through a Digitech RP300a multi-effect pedal, (mainly on one settings) with great results, Now I recently purchased a couple new effects pedals which I mentioned in another thread, The ACH's sound great too, but at totally different settings on the guitars volume and tone, but equally sweet to the ears too. :-) Any how since I have two artcores with the same pick-ups, I just may experiment in the future with a different set on one of them, but every time I pick up these guitars and plug in I say to myself " Maybe another day " I just enjoy the heck out of them I get a beautiful tone very much like the sound you hear in this Magic Sam video. The music starts at the 48 second mark if you impatient :-) Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S5DGqCfk8o
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#4 Posted : 2/9/2011 4:00:15 AM
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Hikey Mikey wrote:

I agree with this, but if you roll the tone knob down too far the resulting sound is very unpleasant (to my ears, anyway). A thin, "bleep-boop" video game sort of sound.

Of course, I would never play with the tone all all the way down, but just a quarter turn is enough to muffle up the ACH1, while the S58 can still pull through with some clarity.

Hikey Mikey wrote:

My Gibson P90s give clearer cleans and grittier growls, just all-round better whether I'm playing clean with lots of headroom or distorted.


Ok, I might be off on this since the last P90's I played were some Duncan Designs on a Squier Tele. To me it's easiest to describe the ACH's as "twang like a tele, but a bit thicker". Then again, I find most cheaper Ibanez pickups to fit that description.

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TheP-40's wrote:
I get a beautiful tone very much like the sound you hear in this Magic Sam video. The music starts at the 48 second mark if you impatient :-) Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S5DGqCfk8o


Great stuff, thanks for introducing me to this artist.
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#5 Posted : 2/9/2011 8:57:46 AM
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Vladimir wrote:
Hikey Mikey wrote:

I agree with this, but if you roll the tone knob down too far the resulting sound is very unpleasant (to my ears, anyway). A thin, "bleep-boop" video game sort of sound.

Of course, I would never play with the tone all all the way down, but just a quarter turn is enough to muffle up the ACH1, while the S58 can still pull through with some clarity.
. . .


You're right.

I was thinking of a video I saw where I couldn't believe my own ears. I have an AS103, and I just couldn't believe that anybody could make it sound that bad. He had the tone all the way back and the volume up. I searched for it on you tube, maybe one of you guys/gals has seen it? Guy playing an AS103NT outside, on his back porch I think, horrible tone, thin and electronic, I seem to recall he was French? Does that ring a bell for anyone?

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Fauxpas wrote:
TheP-40's wrote:
I get a beautiful tone very much like the sound you hear in this Magic Sam video. The music starts at the 48 second mark if you impatient :-) Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S5DGqCfk8o


Great stuff, thanks for introducing me to this artist.


Any time :-) That video of him live is great, but I do get similar tones with my ACH's and thats a beautiful thing, atleast to my ears. The ACH pick-ups may not be the best but they can deliver.
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#16 Posted : 2/9/2011 7:29:49 PM
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IIRC, the ACH's I had were fairly high output. I want to say 10k+. If you like the sound and feel of an AS73, you'll love the AS103.
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#6 Posted : 2/10/2011 3:09:37 AM
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Hikey Mikey wrote:


I was thinking of a video I saw where I couldn't believe my own ears. I have an AS103, and I just couldn't believe that anybody could make it sound that bad. He had the tone all the way back and the volume up. I searched for it on you tube, maybe one of you guys/gals has seen it? Guy playing an AS103NT outside, on his back porch I think, horrible tone, thin and electronic, I seem to recall he was French? Does that ring a bell for anyone?


Was it this guy?

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#7 Posted : 2/10/2011 10:02:13 AM
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Vladimir wrote:

Was it this guy?


No, but thanks. I enjoyed that video even though I don't speak much French.

I think it might have been from this thread:
http://forum.ibanez.com/...px?g=posts&m=381635

but the video has been removed. I'm kinda glad, the tone was absolutely terrible.

Sorry to derail the thread-- it just reminded me of that random thought from a while ago.

Peace

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I put a set of Super 58's in an AS73--HOTTT DAYAMMMM!!! What a difference. I took it into my favorite store [a plug for Bill's Music in Catonsville, Maryland, USofA] and A/B'd it with a Gibson 335. Blew it away (the Gibby that is)!
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Schadenfreudian wrote:
I put a set of Super 58's in an AS73--HOTTT DAYAMMMM!!! What a difference. I took it into my favorite store [a plug for Bill's Music in Catonsville, Maryland, USofA] and A/B'd it with a Gibson 335. Blew it away (the Gibby that is)!

Super58customs as per the AS103, or super58s as per the JSM100?
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Schadenfreudian wrote:
I put a set of Super 58's in an AS73--HOTTT DAYAMMMM!!! What a difference. I took it into my favorite store [a plug for Bill's Music in Catonsville, Maryland, USofA] and A/B'd it with a Gibson 335. Blew it away (the Gibby that is)!


I've been to Bill's dude. A great place. The squirrel working there wasn't to cool. I was up and around the eastcoast for 2 years recently. Went in to buy an AF105 spalted maple without the map for 899.00. I had seen it on fleebay. They said it was in the store somewhere? Got there and Bill wasnt around. The squirrel tells me the ebay employee wasnt there and they coundlnt sell it while it was on ebay. So I tell him, well i'll open an ebay account and do the buy now option, so go get it.He did not know if he could so I walked out the store. As I was leaving, a cool employee felt bad and told me Bill would have squared it up, so I gave the cool dude some tickets. Nice place though, lots of guitars, lots of Ibanez!!!
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#18 Posted : 2/14/2011 10:18:09 PM
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Schadenfreudian wrote:
I put a set of Super 58's in an AS73--HOTTT DAYAMMMM!!!


I put Super 58's in my AM73-DPB when I had it. The Super 58's really brought that guitar to life. If I ever get a chance to buy a used tobacco AM73B, I will put a pair of Super 58's in it.

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