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wpbgtr
#1 Posted : 1/27/2010 9:12:14 PM

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Does anyone know what size/brand locking tuners fit an sz720?
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#2 Posted : 1/27/2010 10:32:07 PM
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The Grover Rotomatic 406C's drop right in place. I have them on both my SZ's.
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#3 Posted : 1/27/2010 10:56:52 PM
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fluff191 wrote:
The Grover Rotomatic 406C's drop right in place. I have them on both my SZ's.


I've seen that number before but stewmac has a different number.
I think 406c is the european designation.

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#4 Posted : 1/27/2010 11:02:21 PM
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Just looked again. 406c does come up in the US also.

I guess Stewmac has their own number (0875). Anyway,
like fluff191 said, they drop right in.
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#5 Posted : 1/28/2010 8:31:12 AM

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cool...thanks! I just bought an sz720fm from a guy who never played it. It looks brand new. The only problem is some fret buzz around 3rd-6th frets. I played w the action some, and its still there. he had very light strings, 8-9s on. I put a combo of 9-10. any ideas for relieving frret buzz?
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#6 Posted : 1/28/2010 8:36:55 PM
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ive used these on my SZ's and they work wonders! ive actually got a set lying around if you'd like them?

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#9 Posted : 2/13/2010 5:43:12 AM
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I recommend the Wilkinson EZ-Lok tuners. It's an interesting design that works wonders, and they are cheap on eBay.
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#10 Posted : 3/3/2010 9:37:26 PM
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Figure I'd bump this thread. I just got these in: http://store.guitarfetish.com/spstlotu3x3c.html

They're pretty good so far. Haven't spent much time with them, to be honest, but I really think they're better than the stock tuners my SZ had. They're MUCH more precise and seem to hold tune better. I'd still have to see how they do in the long run, tho.
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#13 Posted : 3/24/2010 6:28:27 PM
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Super Distortion- did those bolt right in or did you have to modify anything?
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#11 Posted : 3/24/2010 8:06:23 PM
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Super Distortion wrote:
Figure I'd bump this thread. I just got these in: http://store.guitarfetish.com/spstlotu3x3c.html

They're pretty good so far. Haven't spent much time with them, to be honest, but I really think they're better than the stock tuners my SZ had. They're MUCH more precise and seem to hold tune better. I'd still have to see how they do in the long run, tho.



Hopefully they don't give you any problems, because I am gonna order a set I think...Think
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#12 Posted : 3/25/2010 12:51:46 PM
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Markystang wrote:
Super Distortion- did those bolt right in or did you have to modify anything?

Nope, not at all. They fit right in.

ibanezrg3202004 wrote:
Hopefully they don't give you any problems, because I am gonna order a set I think...Think

I've had them for like three weeks on my SZ and so far no problems at all.




Only "issue", if you could call it that, that I've had with them is that the finish is chrome and the finish on the stock SZ hardware is nickel. The stock SZ hardware is a tiny tiny bit more yellow-ish, and these are a tiny tiny bit more silver-ish. Not very noticeable, tho.

In fact, I just snapped this pic for comparison. As you can imagine, this kinda stuff is hard to photograph, but I did the best I could. I think this pic came out a bit exaggerated, but you get the idea.



The yellow in the nickel kinda came out a bit too yellow, tho, but I guess that if you're SUPER picky about this stuff, you could just swap the little head parts ( I don't know what they're called exactly) from the stock tuners into the newer ones to minimize the difference.
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#14 Posted : 3/25/2010 2:53:09 PM
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I don't mind chrome, as long as it don't start peeling...
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#15 Posted : 3/26/2010 9:57:34 PM
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Well, mine are alright still. No sign of peeling at all so far.
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#16 Posted : 3/27/2010 7:47:34 AM
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I am gonna get some anyway.Think

I am really curious about how the veh pickups sound, can't really tell from their soundclip.
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#17 Posted : 3/28/2010 11:54:47 AM
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Has anyone measured the tuner holes?I just "rediscovered" my SZ720.What a great guitar!I want locking tuners on it now.Do the Grovers have the long post?I would like to keep the post height about the same as the stock tuners.
Looking the stock tuners over just now,it appears that they are Grover copies.
Are there any other tuners that maybe someone has found the fit the same spacer holes,so there won't be any extra holes showing after I mount the new tuners?
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#18 Posted : 3/29/2010 11:05:56 AM
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ibanezrg3202004 wrote:
I am gonna get some anyway.Think

I am really curious about how the veh pickups sound, can't really tell from their soundclip.

I've heard their pups are good bang-for-the-buck as well, but I honestly haven't tried them.

ajeffcote wrote:
Has anyone measured the tuner holes?I just "rediscovered" my SZ720.What a great guitar!I want locking tuners on it now.Do the Grovers have the long post?I would like to keep the post height about the same as the stock tuners.
Looking the stock tuners over just now,it appears that they are Grover copies.
Are there any other tuners that maybe someone has found the fit the same spacer holes,so there won't be any extra holes showing after I mount the new tuners?

The ones that I posted fit right in without modification and without leaving extra holes or anything.

I suspect that Grovers mini rotomatics (be it locking or non-locking) will fit right in as well.
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#19 Posted : 3/31/2010 4:05:51 PM
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Pardon my still noob-ish ignorance but what do locking tuners do for the guitar over stock? (Particularly on a fixed bridge guitar)

Thanks!

PS - perhaps modding my SZ will further deter me from trying to sell it, and possibly distract me from trying to buy another guitar. lol
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#20 Posted : 3/31/2010 4:47:16 PM
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Inzane wrote:
Pardon my still noob-ish ignorance but what do locking tuners do for the guitar over stock? (Particularly on a fixed bridge guitar)

Thanks!

PS - perhaps modding my SZ will further deter me from trying to sell it, and possibly distract me from trying to buy another guitar. lol


They reduce the amount of string that has to be wrapped around the post to stop it coming off (as little as half a wrap) due to a piston coming down inside the post and clamping onto the string so that it can't be pulled out of the hole. The more string wrap you have on the post the more it will slide on the post during string bends and whammy bar use, which accounts for a little bit of tuning instability. So eliminating it helps tuning stability a bit. And only a bit.... The main reason for guitars going out of tune on a non locking guitar is the string sticking in the nut. Locking tuners in conjunction with a slippery standard nut, or even a roller nut, will increase tuning stability considerably. Locking tuners on their own barely do anything alas. Though some people fit them just because they make string changes easier.
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#21 Posted : 3/31/2010 4:59:58 PM
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Ouija wrote:
Inzane wrote:
what do locking tuners do for the guitar over stock? (Particularly on a fixed bridge guitar)


They reduce the amount of string that has to be wrapped around the post to stop it coming off (as little as half a wrap) due to a piston coming down inside the post and clamping onto the string so that it can't be pulled out of the hole. The more string wrap you have on the post the more it will slide on the post during string bends and whammy bar use, which accounts for a little bit of tuning instability. So eliminating it helps tuning stability a bit. And only a bit.... The main reason for guitars going out of tune on a non locking guitar is the string sticking in the nut. Locking tuners in conjunction with a slippery standard nut, or even a roller nut, will increase tuning stability considerably. Locking tuners on their own barely do anything alas. Though some people fit them just because they make string changes easier.


Thanks for that great info!

So is the SZ's nut considered "slippery" generally speaking as is, or does it need to be conditioned with something?

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#22 Posted : 3/31/2010 5:13:29 PM
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No standard nuts aren't considered 'slippery'. Graphite nuts are fractionally better (but nowhere near as good as the manufacturers would have you believe) and high quality roller nuts better still. The best solution most people find to lubricate their nut is to use something that improves slide but doesn't dry out, like graphite, commonly found in pencil lead (which isn't actually lead, by the way.... never quite understood why they call it that). You can buy pure graphite paste from somewhere like Stewart MacDonalds (StewMac) or even alternate lubricants such as 'nut sauce'. You can even improvise by using lip balm in the nut slots. Teflon and silicon products can also be used but it's important not to get any of these on the wood whatsoever (wood seriously doesn't like silicon).
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