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Premium Or Prestige?
Grimnak27
#1 Posted : 11/27/2011 11:13:32 PM

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http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-RG870


http://www.ibanez.com/El...ricGuitars/model-RG1451


I'm Split between these two guitars, the only major difference is see is that the premium one has a tremolo and the prestige one does not. Is the tremolo easy to restring and tune? What about the pick ups, which guitar sounds better overall? I mostly play metal, but also some blues.
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#2 Posted : 11/28/2011 8:57:18 AM
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Grimnak27;488598 wrote:


Is the tremolo easy to restring and tune?


Hence you are asking... No!
If you plan on changing the tuning often or switch between standard and drop D you can forget about the tremolo. Google Megatrons trem guide and read all of it, then see if a tremolo suits you and your playing style.


Both guitars will do good for blues and metal. Prestige is made in Japan and is better in quality than the Premiums which is made in Indonesia. Dont know how big the differens is though, as I've never played a Premium.
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#3 Posted : 12/7/2011 9:30:49 AM
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Steelrobbin;488614 wrote:
Grimnak27;488598 wrote:


Is the tremolo easy to restring and tune?


Hence you are asking... No!
If you plan on changing the tuning often or switch between standard and drop D you can forget about the tremolo. Google Megatrons trem guide and read all of it, then see if a tremolo suits you and your playing style.


Both guitars will do good for blues and metal. Prestige is made in Japan and is better in quality than the Premiums which is made in Indonesia. Dont know how big the differens is though, as I've never played a Premium.


Not sure if you know this, but the Premiums are built under the guidance of Team J Craft. When they opened up that section of the Indonesian factory--the J Craft folks taught them what to do and stayed behind a bit to ensure quality control. That said, I love my RG920 just as much as my old "Golden Era" 500 and 700 series. I also like it better than most Prestige models I've owned. The quality is very good. In fact, when Rich Harris got mine in back in February--he stated that mine was the best he'd seen in that first shipment of them. There have been a few owners that had slight issues with theirs--small finish blemishes, fret ends not hand filed )ball ended), and couldn't figure out the ZPS.
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#4 Posted : 12/9/2011 9:27:25 PM

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well, I was ready to order the prestige a few days ago but it is no longer available on guitar center, I hope they are just temporarily out of stock1 FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU
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#5 Posted : 12/10/2011 6:41:20 AM
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Good thing GC is sold out--now go make the right purchase--the Premium
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#6 Posted : 12/11/2011 12:08:08 AM

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Cant handle the tremolo!
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#7 Posted : 12/11/2011 12:31:40 AM
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Grimnak27;489137 wrote:
Cant handle the tremolo!


Why?
The EZII with ZPS is about the best Ibanez tremendous since the LoPro Edge.
If you don't know how to set them up, well--there are tons of tutorials on the Internet. Once you've done it the first time--it's super easy. Don't let something different be difficult.
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#10 Posted : 12/11/2011 5:46:40 PM
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would go with the prestige. the premium series are still MII guitars at the end of the day and unless you have access to a market where you can get the 9xx series premiums(and get the dimarzio/ibz pickups instead of the glorified INF's found on the 8xx line) there is NO way that the premiums are worth what their sticker price leads you to believe about them.

seeing as you're comparing the RG870 to the RG1451, there's no way that the RG870 can compete. the cleans suffer from the INF flubbing that lead me to replace my pickups in my RG321MH, and if you play blues sometimes you're going to need to be able to do great cleans as well as great "in between" sounds on top of the full out scream. IMO, the RG870 can't really do much unless it's paired with a lot of gain, then it starts to sound alright. however, if you want to be a little more versatile then you'll have to replace the stock pickups for ones that can actually get the job done.

again, if you can get an RG920, it's a much more even playing field because the dimarzio/ibz pickups are excellent, and are found on prestige RG2xxx guitars. they're a little bright, but very articulate from what I've listened to and wouldn't need replacing.

tl;dr: buy the RG1451 and avoid the RG870. consider the premium RG's only if you can buy an RG920 in your part of the world (which I can't do in canada,don't know where you live. they're definitely available in america though .. but that seems to be usa only for the 9xx series)
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#11 Posted : 12/11/2011 10:57:12 PM

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Bulls**t, musicians friend is now telling me that its unavaible or discontinued
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#8 Posted : 12/11/2011 11:06:56 PM

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avianoguitarist wrote:


The EZII with ZPS is about the best Ibanez tremendous since the LoPro Edge.


...which is almost as good as the Original Edge or the Edge ProHappy
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#9 Posted : 12/12/2011 12:48:26 AM
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Boogieman;489179 wrote:
avianoguitarist wrote:


The EZII with ZPS is about the best Ibanez tremendous since the LoPro Edge.


...which is almost as good as the Original Edge or the Edge ProHappy

I like the LoPro the best--less obtrusive and easier to unlock the string blocks. The OE is a close second and the EP below those--still a good bridge. (Gotta love my "smartphone auto-correct").
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#12 Posted : 12/12/2011 1:44:11 AM

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#13 Posted : 12/15/2011 3:48:21 PM
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I vote Prestige RG1451. My son has had one for about a year & I have one on layaway at a local store. A good hardtail RG Prestige is a staple gtr you'll appreciate over the next few years, especially if you own a trem-equipped gtr.
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#14 Posted : 12/17/2011 8:02:24 AM

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not sure if this is an option but. there are some fixed bridge prestiges on the bay right now. rga121 and rg1421(highly recommend) and the rg1451. Also Is used an option?
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#15 Posted : 12/17/2011 1:51:41 PM
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iamdunker;489368 wrote:
not sure if this is an option but. there are some fixed bridge prestiges on the bay right now. rga121 and rg1421(highly recommend) and the rg1451. Also Is used an option?

He's got it narrowed down to the 2 models he listed..
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#16 Posted : 12/21/2011 10:02:28 PM

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The Rg1451 should be deliverd by friday =)
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I know I am late to the Thread. But the RG1451 and the Premium are really 2 different guitars. More than you would think by just looking at them. I know people that love premiums, I know people that love prestiges, best way to decide (on any guitar) is to play them.
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#20 Posted : 1/3/2012 1:47:08 AM

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My view is that if you don't want a guitar with a trem then buy one that is built more for sustain. That sort of money will get you one of Gibson's faded range. To me, Ibanez RG = trem guitar.
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#21 Posted : 1/3/2012 6:35:35 AM
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AlanH;489960 wrote:
My view is that if you don't want a guitar with a trem then buy one that is built more for sustain. That sort of money will get you one of Gibson's faded range. To me, Ibanez RG = trem guitar.

Not true. There are a few really good non-trem RG models.
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#18 Posted : 1/3/2012 6:37:04 AM
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plutovsplanet;489518 wrote:
I know I am late to the Thread. But the RG1451 and the Premium are really 2 different guitars. More than you would think by just looking at them. I know people that love premiums, I know people that love prestiges, best way to decide (on any guitar) is to play them.

Best advice ever for deciding on any piece of gear! What's sugar to one may be vinegar to another.
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