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IWant8StringZRTrem
#1 Posted : 2/11/2012 5:38:13 AM

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hi I was just wondering since all these Ibanez 8 string guitars have fixed bridges and I dont see any ZR Tremolo 8 strings,I was wondering if there will ever be a version like the Ibanez S7420 7 string but in a 8 string version with a ZR Tremolo,I have seen the 8 string kahler and I think they suck,and I like the ZR tremolos cuz I think they are the best,I have a schecter omen 8 but It just not the same without a whammy bar and I definently dont want to buy a digitech whammy or boss ps5 pitch shifter to simulate whammy bar dives,I mean how am I supposed to shred like Dimebag Darrell if there arent any tremolos for an 8 string available? please please stop coming out with these fixed bridges and make a real 8 string that was supposed to be made,a black body with emg 808's and was built to shred,if anybody else on here agrees we need 8 strings like these please lets try to make this happen, the reason I want a 8 string like this because I could have the same range as a keyboard player and be my own bass player(no offense to bassists),and plus I can even get 8 string midi on it if it was made and with piezo acoustic on it too to make it sound like a 8 string acoustic,I know a guy that can do this
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#2 Posted : 2/11/2012 12:10:19 PM
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Don't think the two springs on the ZR could counterbalance the pull of eight strings.....
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#3 Posted : 2/11/2012 12:32:29 PM
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Don't think the two springs on the ZR could counterbalance the pull of eight strings.....


Hmmm ... perhaps if they used a stiffer spring? Think
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IWant8StringZRTrem
#4 Posted : 2/11/2012 8:27:07 PM

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well they could just put 4 springs in there just like what they did to Munky's Ibanez Custom 8 string
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#5 Posted : 2/12/2012 8:13:55 PM
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well they could just put 4 springs in there just like what they did to Munky's Ibanez Custom 8 string


His wasn't a ZR trem though, was it?

ZR's only take two springs, attached to either side of the sustain block, due to the block being extra small to allow the ZPS bar to wrap around the back of the block. Could always ditch the ZPS system and have a regular spaced block i suppose.
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IWant8StringZRTrem
#6 Posted : 2/12/2012 9:56:54 PM

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no his was a regular floyd rose tremolo that has 4 springs,but I got a hunch that if they used 4 springs for a future ZR tremolo in the future with 4 springs in the back it could work,if you think about it 8 is an even number and 4 is an even number,if they used 4 springs for an 8 string get it? it's simple is it not?
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#7 Posted : 2/13/2012 12:05:54 PM
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They can't use 4 strings in ZR, because there is only TWO points for strings attaching. Change of the trem's construction will enlarge cost of the guitar. No one brand will change industrial standard for only one production unit.
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#8 Posted : 2/13/2012 12:08:50 PM
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There is simply no place in thin S-body for big tremolo parts. It is a light and fast guitar, its conception is in this.
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#9 Posted : 2/13/2012 12:37:48 PM
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I'm affraid that spaceangel is right. The bodyshape of the S might make it hard or impossible to fit an 8 string version of the ZR trem. Another thing I think could present problems is the balance of an 8 string S. Would it become neck heavy or maintain the good balance of the 6 string Ss?
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#10 Posted : 2/13/2012 2:22:22 PM
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On the one hand, Spaceangel has a point. But I think something was perhaps glossed over ... there currently is no 8-string ZR bridge, so Ibanez effectively would be redesigning a number of aspects of the bridge to make an 8-string version. Thus if they did do something like this, it wouldn't be far out of their element to put on a wider sustain block with 3 or 4 holes instead of 2 (after all the trem is getting wider anyway). They also could get away from the ZPS system entirely instead of redesigning it, to cut costs and stick with a traditional format that people are used to. Not only do people tend to dislike the ZPS, but it serves literally no purpose whatsoever on a guitar with a ZR trem. So I think it's definitely possible, though still unlikely.

I don't think the S body would have any issues accomodating an 8-string ZR. It's not the depth of the trem that's changing but the width, and an 8-string S body and neck will both already be wider than normal. I could see balance becoming an issue though for sure. As it stands S's seem just a little neck-heavy already; making the neck wider would only exacerbate that.
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#11 Posted : 2/13/2012 3:54:35 PM
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all of our 8 strings currently have fixed bridges.

The tension created by having 8 strings makes a double locking tremolo difficult.

While the technology may exist (I'm not sure honestly), we have not yet implemented it with our 8 strings.

Perhaps one day, but for now all of our 8 strings are anchored down for tuning stability and sustain.

PS: I don't really know anything about Munky's custom 8...if I had some answers on this, I'd pass them along.
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