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difference between the AR 320, AR 325, AR 420?
apelachi
#1 Posted : 3/6/2013 10:09:37 PM

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New post, not a new poster here, though. Been an Ibz user since late 80s & the proud owner of an Ibz FR1620! Lost my old id when p.c. crashed. (I think it was "woodshed") Anyway...looking at my new GC catalog & lusting for an Artist model, the AR320 they show in Vintage Sunburst is a "figured maple top" on a mahogany body, selling for $599. The GC website says it's a "tiger top" & that it has "large frets". They show the same model in Trans Red Sunburst & it's $100 less. The descriptions while similar, are different. The Vintage Sunburst is a "tiger top" (the other not) & it's also $100 more? What's up with these models?

On the Ibz site, the production model AR325 has a Bubinga top while the AR420 has a maple top. The binding is different on these so we can understand a slight price difference. One's just a little more "fancy", so to speak. Both show "medium" frets. Great looking guitars. Are the tops veneer over maple, like PRS SE models?

Has Ibz made the AR320 with bigger frets as a G.C. exclusive or is this a misprint? And, exactly how small are the "medium" frets? Curious & drooling over some cool AR's!!
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#2 Posted : 3/7/2013 4:03:48 AM
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The same thing is listed on Musicians Friend as well.
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#3 Posted : 3/7/2013 7:08:51 AM
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Guitar Center and Musicians Friend are the same company.

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#5 Posted : 3/7/2013 1:58:35 PM

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Originally Posted by: apelachi Go to Quoted Post
New post, not a new poster here, though. Been an Ibz user since late 80s & the proud owner of an Ibz FR1620! Lost my old id when p.c. crashed. (I think it was "woodshed") Anyway...looking at my new GC catalog & lusting for an Artist model, the AR320 they show in Vintage Sunburst is a "figured maple top" on a mahogany body, selling for $599. The GC website says it's a "tiger top" & that it has "large frets". They show the same model in Trans Red Sunburst & it's $100 less. The descriptions while similar, are different. The Vintage Sunburst is a "tiger top" (the other not) & it's also $100 more? What's up with these models?

On the Ibz site, the production model AR325 has a Bubinga top while the AR420 has a maple top. The binding is different on these so we can understand a slight price difference. One's just a little more "fancy", so to speak. Both show "medium" frets. Great looking guitars. Are the tops veneer over maple, like PRS SE models?

Has Ibz made the AR320 with bigger frets as a G.C. exclusive or is this a misprint? And, exactly how small are the "medium" frets? Curious & drooling over some cool AR's!!


All this may have something to do with the fact that the Artist (320,325,420) is made and sold for the Americas only. The AR325 is listed and offered on the websites of Canada, USA, Mexico and South American countries, while 320 and 420 for USA only. Not even Japan gets the Artist. It is not likely that there would be any structural difference in them. The frets in the AR325 are medium, not large. The pickups have "S58-N" and "S58-B" stamped in the covers (outside, top, visible) which I have not seen in the other Ibanezes. The rosewood of the fretboard looks and feels different than that of my Artcore AK guitar, and the neck seems heavier, though the specs are same 3-piece maple neck of the Artcores. The tuners are different, feel more solid and heavier than the Artcore.
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#7 Posted : 3/7/2013 4:21:10 PM

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Thanks hannu. Are the tops veneer over maple cap or solid maple/solid bubinga?
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#8 Posted : 3/7/2013 4:21:47 PM
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#4 Posted : 3/7/2013 5:12:37 PM
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Guitar Center and Musicians Friend are the same company.



I suspected that was the case but never looked into it to verify ...Thanks
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#9 Posted : 3/7/2013 6:13:07 PM

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Originally Posted by: Tom@Ibanez Go to Quoted Post
These are going to be veneer


And under that, the bulk of the body is mahogany, which is the typical choice for this type of a guitar. A lot of mahogany under the bridge produces long sustain.
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#11 Posted : 3/7/2013 6:38:44 PM

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Thanks for the confirmation, Tom @ Ibanez! For the record the fact that it's veneer in not a "deal breaker" for me. Veneer on mahogany or maple, no issue: it's the classic Ibz Artist & having owned an AR300 a few years ago, I'm stoked to see them back. Now to decide on a color/finish. Love the cherry sunburst & the bubinga, too. Maybe one of each? Think
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#12 Posted : 3/7/2013 7:27:27 PM
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#14 Posted : 3/7/2013 8:55:28 PM
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I have the Dark Brown Subburst AR325 and that bubinga is simply stunning!
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#13 Posted : 3/8/2013 4:10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by: Tom@Ibanez Go to Quoted Post
Cherry has been my favorite out of the gate. Who am I to tell you not to buy two though?


If I had a job I would be two - or maybe three... I've loved every one of these that I have had the chance to try out.


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#10 Posted : 6/27/2013 10:30:48 AM

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These are going to be veneer


Hi Tom, are you sure that are veener and to real flamed maple (or bubinga) on AR420 and AR325?

A italian seller said me that aren't veener.

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#15 Posted : 6/27/2013 1:20:37 PM
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Allow me to jump in and help answer this for Tom.

The AR guitars have a veneer of REAL wood. It isn't a large piece of Maple or Bubinga that could be considered a "cap". So the top of the guitar is not a fake wood, or something printed to look like flamed maple or bubinga, it is ACTUAL wood. The piece used on the top is smaller than a cap and will affect the sound less than a cap would.

Hope this helps,
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#16 Posted : 6/27/2013 2:42:27 PM

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Originally Posted by: Bill@Ibanez Go to Quoted Post
Allow me to jump in and help answer this for Tom.

The AR guitars have a veneer of REAL wood. It isn't a large piece of Maple or Bubinga that could be considered a "cap". So the top of the guitar is not a fake wood, or something printed to look like flamed maple or bubinga, it is ACTUAL wood. The piece used on the top is smaller than a cap and will affect the sound less than a cap would.

Hope this helps,
-Bill


So is there a veneer of figured maple (or bubinga) on plain maple or bubinga, or a weneer of figured wood on mahogany?

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#17 Posted : 6/27/2013 4:28:09 PM
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It would be a veneer of Maple or Bubinga on the Mahogany body. I'm not 100% sure of the exact size of the veneer, though. I do know that it is not as big as a "cap". I have an SZ with a maple cap and you can see where the mahogany ends and maple starts a bit lower than the binding:
http://img.photobucket.c..._berzerker/DSCN0987.jpg

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#18 Posted : 6/27/2013 5:23:35 PM

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Ok thanks Bill, now I have understand! ;)

I search for a AR420 Cherry Sunburst but in Europe now isn't available. :(
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#6 Posted : 8/7/2013 3:15:47 PM
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All this may have something to do with the fact that the Artist (320,325,420) is made and sold for the Americas only. The AR325 is listed and offered on the websites of Canada, USA, Mexico and South American countries, while 320 and 420 for USA only. Not even Japan gets the Artist. It is not likely that there would be any structural difference in them. The frets in the AR325 are medium, not large. The pickups have "S58-N" and "S58-B" stamped in the covers (outside, top, visible) which I have not seen in the other Ibanezes. The rosewood of the fretboard looks and feels different than that of my Artcore AK guitar, and the neck seems heavier, though the specs are same 3-piece maple neck of the Artcores. The tuners are different, feel more solid and heavier than the Artcore.
Hannu



Just got the AR320 with the transparent red flame top finish. It's a beautiful guitar & plays great but I have to admit, the bubinga top of the 325 is awesome. Virtually the same otherwise. I do notice the fret size difference. The bigger frets on my 320, help with my sausage fingers!
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#19 Posted : 8/8/2013 2:12:10 AM
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What's up with these models?


The AR320's are GC/MF exclusive models and have features that are exclusive to GC/MF. They are only available new from Guitar Center or Musicians Friend. GC/MF spec'd them out and Ibanez made them. You will not find them on the Ibanez website - other than the parts lookup pages.

The AR325 and AR420 are standard production models. As such they are available from any authorized Ibanez dealer and the features are the same no matter who you buy them from.

BTW, the AR3212 is also a GC/MF exclusive model. Gonna get one of those for myself as soon as I possibly can.


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#20 Posted : 8/8/2013 2:26:57 PM
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Tracy, do you know if the GC/MF exclusive models are stripped down or made cheaper in any way compared to the regular Ibanez models? Pickups, hardware, materials, construction or anything like that? Or maybe they are in some ways upgraded? However I'd tend to doubt that. Or is it cosmetic stuff only like an exclusive finish or something along those lines?

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Originally Posted by: apelachi Go to Quoted Post
What's up with these models?


The AR320's are GC/MF exclusive models and have features that are exclusive to GC/MF. They are only available new from Guitar Center or Musicians Friend. GC/MF spec'd them out and Ibanez made them. You will not find them on the Ibanez website - other than the parts lookup pages.

The AR325 and AR420 are standard production models. As such they are available from any authorized Ibanez dealer and the features are the same no matter who you buy them from.

BTW, the AR3212 is also a GC/MF exclusive model. Gonna get one of those for myself as soon as I possibly can.



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