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Artcore AS7312 Semi-Hollow Electric Guitar - Video Demo
Chadfish
#1 Posted : 10/17/2013 6:10:12 AM

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Hey guys,

I noticed there were no videos out about this guitar, so I thought I'd give a little demo so people can hear what it sounds like.

Here's the link:
Ibanez AS7312 Video Demo

UPDATE: I have modified the AS7312 with a new nut and bridge! Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPa4IFidtH4

So I finally got my AS7312 worked on to make the intonation perfect. The guitar is decent for a 500.00 guitar, but I found the nut to be too high, causing the G strings to go sharp when I pressed down on the 2nd fret. So I added a new nut and a new bridge with 12 saddles, rather than 6 saddles with 2 strings per saddle. The guitar plays like magic now! Thanks so much to Steve Helgeson from Moonstone Guitars for doing the masterful work getting the guitar intonated. http://www.moonstoneguitars.com/

Here's what I purchased to improve my AS7312.

12 Saddle Bridge (you must cut the slots yourself): 102.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/...amp;hash=item540086908c

Adapter Studs for the Bridge to fit the AS7312: 10.00 http://www.allparts.com/...-M8-Anchors_p_4414.html

Earvana Acoustic Retro Style Nut (you must cut the slots yourself): 39.95 http://www.earvana.com/Acoustic_Retro.htm

Ibanez forum on the AS7312: http://forum.ibanez.com/...eo-Demo.aspx#post509325

• Ibanez AS7312 $500.00 (400.00 after 20% discount)
• Earvana Conpensated Nut $39.95
• 12 Saddle Bridge $102.99
• Adapter Posts $10.00
• Labor $200.00
TOTAL: $752.94
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Dick Foster
#2 Posted : 10/17/2013 6:36:45 PM
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Very nice Chad, I watched the whole thing. A real nice demo and much needed review. Now you've got me wanting one of those too.

BTW I think almost every guitar ever made has the G string problem to some extent due to equal temperament. That is unless you've done something weird and unusual like those crooked frets or something.

You might want to try one of these things a try when you go messing around with the nut.



http://www.zeroglide.com/

It might help and they seem to make a lot of sense to me anyway. I'm dying to give one a try when I can get to it and they're not very expensive. It seems like they have one for almost anything with stings on it and they sell blanks too.
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#3 Posted : 10/17/2013 7:37:22 PM

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I've got an email inquiry sent to Earvana CTS, who make compensated nuts. I'm asking if they might have something for a 12 string, or maybe a blank nut you can make into a 12 string nut. On this linnk if you scroll down they explain how it works:

Earvana CTS - Compensated Tuning System
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#5 Posted : 10/18/2013 2:06:26 AM
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Lovely review.

The out of tuneness near the nut doesn't bother me..... Not any worse than all my other guitars. I don't play a lot of the cowboy chords around the first and second frets anyway.

I've got a buddy who swears by the Buzz Feiten tuning system...... Which is similar I think to the Earvana nut that you're checking out. Might be worth a look just for comparison. Maybe Buzz offers a 12 string version?
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#6 Posted : 10/18/2013 6:07:02 AM

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Buzz Feiten is different, and you can't use a capo with that.
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#8 Posted : 10/18/2013 4:47:27 PM

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Great demo Chad.
And I like the Zeroglide concept, noodle.....perhaps for my one acoustic whose nut slots need deepened.

Great stuff, both.
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#4 Posted : 10/18/2013 5:41:43 PM
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Yeah I've seen that one too. Then there is that Buzz Frieden thing too which I think Ervana is a take off of. I guess the ultimate is the equal temperament thing but I can't figure out how you'd play it must less chord it. I suppose it would take lots and lots of practice but I don't see anyone playing any bar chords on one.




Maybe this is a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

Originally Posted by: Chadfish Go to Quoted Post
I've got an email inquiry sent to Earvana CTS, who make compensated nuts. I'm asking if they might have something for a 12 string, or maybe a blank nut you can make into a 12 string nut. On this linnk if you scroll down they explain how it works:

Earvana CTS - Compensated Tuning System

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#9 Posted : 10/18/2013 11:12:11 PM
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The entire guitar is nothing but compromises.

Try this:

Fret a note.... Any note on the instrument. Check the tuning with your tuner. Ok.

Now press the string just a little bit harder. Check the tuning again..... Sharp right?

Now press harder.... Even sharper..... Now let off the pressure.... Pitch goes back down.

What does this prove? Spending a lot of time on intonation and compensated nuts....... etc. Is mostly a waste of time.

If you want to sound good then the best thing you can do is practice.

A lot.

But look who's talking.... I spent a boat load of time and money changing out the 6 saddle bridge for that ABM 12 saddle bridge.

Shutting up now.
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#10 Posted : 10/19/2013 2:13:52 AM

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In the case of my AS7312 the nut really is high. I've been playing 30 years, so I know when a guitar needs work. The string(s) is way off the neck near the nut (relatively) and with the nut lower it would work better. I'll get it dialed.
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#11 Posted : 10/19/2013 5:59:45 PM
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You don't need to replace the nut really, just file and fit the notches. But I suppose you knew this.

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In the case of my AS7312 the nut really is high. I've been playing 30 years, so I know when a guitar needs work. The string(s) is way off the neck near the nut (relatively) and with the nut lower it would work better. I'll get it dialed.

Dick Foster
#7 Posted : 10/19/2013 6:02:31 PM
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I didn't think of the capo but I suppose it only follows. Personally I like the zero fret idea but I've yet to try it. One of these days when I can get around to it. Maybe this winter when I can't get outside to work.

Originally Posted by: Chadfish Go to Quoted Post
Buzz Feiten is different, and you can't use a capo with that.

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#12 Posted : 10/20/2013 4:14:51 AM

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I could just work on the existing nut to save some money, but I may get a bone nut and do it up right.
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#13 Posted : 10/25/2013 10:26:31 PM

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So I'm going the Earvana rout with the nut. It looks really cool. They don't make a specific 12 string one, but they directed me to a blank that will work. Earvana retro-fit nut for Acoustic Guitars

I also got the 12 string bridge on ebay for 102.00: http://www.ebay.com/itm/...1059133934#ht_121wt_958
And these studs the guy at allparts.com says will work: https://www.allparts.com...-M8-Anchors_p_4414.html

This should get the AS7312 quite intonated!
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#14 Posted : 11/14/2013 7:20:18 AM

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So I finally got my AS7312 worked on to make the intonation perfect. The guitar is decent for a 500.00 guitar, but I found the nut to be too high, causing the G strings to go sharp when I pressed down on the 2nd fret. So I added a new nut and a new bridge with 12 saddles, rather than 6 saddles with 2 strings per saddle. The guitar plays like magic now! Thanks so much to Steve Helgeson from Moonstone Guitars for doing the masterful work getting the guitar intonated. http://www.moonstoneguitars.com/

Here's what I purchased to improve my AS7312.

12 Saddle Bridge (you must cut the slots yourself): 102.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/...amp;hash=item540086908c

Adapter Studs for the Bridge to fit the AS7312: 10.00 http://www.allparts.com/...-M8-Anchors_p_4414.html

Earvana Acoustic Retro Style Nut (you must cut the slots yourself): 39.95 http://www.earvana.com/Acoustic_Retro.htm

Ibanez forum on the AS7312: http://forum.ibanez.com/...e-house.aspx#post508738

• Ibanez AS7312 $500.00 (400.00 after 20% discount)
• Earvana Conpensated Nut $39.95
• 12 Saddle Bridge $102.99
• Adapter Posts $10.00
• Labor $200.00
TOTAL: $752.94

Here's a video showing what mods were made, and some intonation examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPa4IFidtH4
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#15 Posted : 11/14/2013 4:52:22 PM
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Nice, very nice! A great video for anyone contemplating this guitar to watch. Or even one who has already purchased this guitar to watch for that matter. Much thanks for the effort.


Originally Posted by: Chadfish Go to Quoted Post
So I finally got my AS7312 worked on to make the intonation perfect. The guitar is decent for a 500.00 guitar, but I found the nut to be too high, causing the G strings to go sharp when I pressed down on the 2nd fret. So I added a new nut and a new bridge with 12 saddles, rather than 6 saddles with 2 strings per saddle. The guitar plays like magic now! Thanks so much to Steve Helgeson from Moonstone Guitars for doing the masterful work getting the guitar intonated. http://www.moonstoneguitars.com/

Here's what I purchased to improve my AS7312.

12 Saddle Bridge (you must cut the slots yourself): 102.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/...amp;hash=item540086908c

Adapter Studs for the Bridge to fit the AS7312: 10.00 http://www.allparts.com/...-M8-Anchors_p_4414.html

Earvana Acoustic Retro Style Nut (you must cut the slots yourself): 39.95 http://www.earvana.com/Acoustic_Retro.htm

Ibanez forum on the AS7312: http://forum.ibanez.com/...e-house.aspx#post508738

• Ibanez AS7312 $500.00 (400.00 after 20% discount)
• Earvana Conpensated Nut $39.95
• 12 Saddle Bridge $102.99
• Adapter Posts $10.00
• Labor $200.00
TOTAL: $752.94

Here's a video showing what mods were made, and some intonation examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPa4IFidtH4

Chadfish
#16 Posted : 11/14/2013 5:57:03 PM

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Thanks noodle,

My pleasure. There needed to be some video of the AS7212 anyway, and now I wanted to share how I got it to be a guitar worth more than twice the purchasing price IMO. I can't stop playing it once I pick it up. Having perfect intonation on a 12 string really has an emotional impact on your desire to play. I realized I would avoid certain areas of the neck before I did this mod. Now I can hit any not up to the highest D and they are all perfectly in tune (unless my fingers are pushing them out of tune).
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#17 Posted : 11/15/2013 12:05:23 AM
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Chad,
First--THANKS! Finally a review and sound samples of that guitar. Wonderfully done--KUDOS!!!
Second--Sounds great! Sounded decent the first time with a nice jangle to it. Even better after the mods.
Third--I now hate you! I want one, and alteady have waaaay too many guitars...lol.


Seriously--nice job, bud!
Just another Ibanez freak!
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#18 Posted : 11/15/2013 7:49:55 PM

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LOL avianoguitarist!

This guitar was not even on my radar initially. I was not looking for a 12 string. I kept drooling over the AR420 or AR325, but one evening looking at guitar porn (Musician's Friend catalog) I noticed the AS7312 for the first time, even though I had flipped past it numerous times. So I had it on my mind, then MF sent me a 20% off coupon because I hadn't bought anything from them in years (been going to Sweetwater). So for 400.00 I couldn't resist. I was bummed about the intonation, but the extra 350.00 in parts and labor was worth it. The thing just stays in tune now. I'm very happy. I still love my AS103 though.
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#19 Posted : 11/16/2013 2:56:16 AM
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Nice video!

I love Moonstone guitars. I haven't seen one in a long time. I remember occasionally seeing them in a fancy guitar store in Hollywood back in the day. Beautiful instruments..... Expensive though.

I didn't modify the nut on my AS7312. It's still stock. I think mine isn't too high, but I like the extra space you ended up with, so I might go there eventually.

The changes I made that you didn't? I changed the tuners to Gotoh 510's..... The stock tuners were ok, but I love 510's..... So on they went. I also bought Tonepro locking studs for the tailpiece, so the thing won't fall off during string changes. Plus I like that solid connection with the body.

I bought the Gator hard case at Guitar Center. It only cost me $119. It fits the guitar perfectly and that's a good price for a hard case. I had to order it and it came in a couple of days. If you search the GC website for "Gator 335 brown"...... Something like that, it will come up.
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#20 Posted : 11/16/2013 5:40:32 PM

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Hi Artcore,

We've spoken about the tuners and the Gator case already. I would love the new tuners and that Gator case, but it's just not in my budget now. With the better tuners I could definitely tune more easily. The stock ones are a little too hard to crank. A guy who posted on my latest AS7312 video says this about cases:
"Ibanez says their AS 100C case will fit both six and 12 string models ....the headstock is longer but the actual fret board is shorter and if you look at both side by side the are the same length http://www.ibanez.co.jp/...?year=2013&cat_id=7 try the official ibanez case they offer got it from MF for under $ 90"

But if that's so, then why didn't Ibanez list the case as a possible case on their site? They only list the 20.00 gig bag. I asked the guy to try to report back if the case works.
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